Pre-Programming on Shakespeare's World Stage: We've been played for fools while our children have been cast by .gov to pharmaceutical wolves who knew from the start exactly what they were doing.
How do you think we got Junior? Mrs Doubfire? Hocked the comment. This comedy is to this year's holiday season what Mrs. Doubtfire was to last year's, a mildly funny but utterly conventional and obvious farce.
Some years back, Dave Chapelle was right to be indignant: They (Hollyweird) always eventually cast black male actors in some cross-dressing role or another... from Eddie Murphy to Martin Lawrence... to Jamie Foxx and Wesley Snipes. Ving Rhames. Always the very masculine / macho types being weakened by these roles. It is all a psyop.
Media , Hollywood , to lesser degree art or literature it is said are downstream from political or oligarchical movements & influence ; They carry the desired message and seek a desired effect that supports the powers that be . That is the opposite of the trope that politics is always downstream from culture . I do not believe the larger part of culture is an organic phenomenon at all anymore
A picture is worth a thousand thoughts, a film....many millions. One only need be in conversation with those who consume the propaganda, America's 'glory' is partially built on the back of the 1930s German death cult, film, art, chemicals....with the added twist of 'profits'.
If not 'on purpose' it was a known consequence that they chose to ignore, in favour of profits.
We're currently at 1-in-36. Eventually that will get to 1 in 20, 1 in 10, 1 in 2, and we will have reached social cataclysm where a full 50% of society is disabled, yet - knowing that is looming on the horizon - we seem to be taking no steps toward preparing for it, which is mystifying.
Maybe I've been on the internet too long. Call me cynical, but humanity has taken a very dark turn from morality these last few decades. And I have to wonder if - rather than spending billions on care facilities for aged autistic adults (whose structural family support is lost when parents and siblings pass on) - recent promotion of "assisted suicide" is going to be the plan to deal with it.
Dark, I know. But the fact that we've even made it legal, eventually moves it along to "acceptable".
Thank you for putting this all together. I wish I could share it with my daughters but that is a big no no for me. Son in law of the younger has already ghosted me with his entire family for three years bc of vaccines. I can not even have lunch with my daughter
The following clip is a fight from a film that is completely out of place and ridiculous and actually worsens the overall quality (the director took a risk with this)...unless you know why it is in there:
It represents how difficult it is get someone, like your son in law, to wake up. Finally after almost seven minutes of grueling battle, the protagonist manages to put the glasses on his friend to get him to see the world as it truly is.
These are battles almost every single one in our circles has been fighting since 2020, some since 2008, and others still since 2001. My takeaway from all this is we must be subtle and work around the edges when trying to get others to see, because unlike in 'They Live' most of our families will abandon us as crazy within the first 30 seconds of the confrontation.
How I wish I could go back to the end of 2019 and do it all again with more prowess & finesse. But that's a large part of why we are here, correct? To gain such wisdom?
I pray for you and your daughters' bonds to heal followed by your swift reunion.
I have the opposite, my youngest will soon be 45, his wife is a Narastic, know-it-all, Spend-aholic. 2 Yrs of nursing school, failed the last semester. 6-year-old is always sick, the new nearly 7 month old is a 2nd C section, she didn'tv gether tubes tied told him to get a Vascetomy, which is extra money, tubes tied during a C is covered. Neither can hold a job long. I got tired of being asked for money or borrow my van, bringing a full tank back on empty. I'd already removed him from out Trust fund. This lst time was the straw that broke the camels back, Both were told no more money or van. Get a better job and keep it.
Pay your bills. I raised 3 on my own with no Saftey nets, other than my parents took them for school closures. Worked my butt off for $3.50 an hr. You can't change people like them. 5 months no contact. Fine by me, less stress.
It is even worse baby Scarlett swallowed Anitomoc fluid, spent 10 days in Nic U. She is not Normal. A FFT baby, At 6 months was just a floppy doll. Not normal at that stage. The 2 have no conception their actions harm their girls especially the near 7 year old. I could not put up with the constant lies.
What a terrible strain for you. So glad you managed to protect yourself from such a heartbreaking and toxic environment. Sometimes we just have to walk away - I did, although for different reasons. It's painful but the lesser of two unacceptable situations. I hope the pain eases for you and your grandchildren manage to eventually find some joy and purpose in their lives. xxx
exactly. This is what severed our loving relationship. They have three darling kiddos I have not seen in 3 years!!! I know your pain. You are not alone.
Very insightful observation TriTorch, between Congress granting immunity, the outcome they knew would be coming, and the attempt to tamp it all down and convince the Public it wasn’t that a wild west pipeline of barely tested products had just been opened up (which without doubt will severely injure some children), no - its just that your kid is "neurodiverse".
"Sure, he'll never be able to live independently or have a normal life. But the upside is he's a savant genius!".
If you know enough to craft a red herring movie ahead of time, you absolutely know why it was necessary to do so.
It's no small wonder why RFK, Jr. is having such a grilling from the Senate potentates who are all in bed with huge pharma/corporate medicine (grifters that most of them are to begin with). Praying for a God miracle and the RFK, Jr. DOES become the next head of Health and Human Services (which has been a huge DISSERVICE to humanity for decades).
Glad to see you Substacking once again, Jayson - WRITE ON, friend!!
I was thinking that Covid along with the jab and the mutilation of our children(gender affirming care) would be written in history books as the worst crimes against humanity of our time- but vaccine injuries (autism as well as other injuries) has to be added to these crimes as well. History will not look down at this time very favorably.
I watched the movie (before getting sick of Cruise) and had no idea I was getting played or the awareness I would have about anything medical decades ahead.
Some recent-ish movies involve snake venom - if you're interested, checkout "the Antidote" Bryan Ardis, DC: https://thedrardisshow.com/the-antidote - remember when Trump got covid back then, he got monoclonal antibodies and got over it quickly? guess what they commonly use that therapy for - snakebite. (in addition to his intriguing theories, Ardis also mentions the pre-conditioning movies prevalent then).
Powerful & informative article - gratitude & blessings to you Tritorch. Grateful to have found about the toxins in vaccines in the early 90's. People thought I was 'cra-cra' - stopped vaxxing our young children, however, some damage had already been done - our youngest had lots of neurological issues, ear infections & learning disabilities. We began seeing a Naturopathic Physician who was a God send. Today, I continue & will never stop speaking Truth to medical tyranny. In GOD we Trust ...
I suspect many people do not "see" / recognize autism when they see it. I was married for years to a man that I finally discovered was autistic. That answered a few questions. For me, but I suspect others did not realize it. I doubt all the recent attention to the situation (it is not a disease) will change anyone's life. I do not know if autism can be corrected, I certainly doubt that Adderall will do so. I thought sugar was involved, but was roundly ignored by "professionals". Autism is a tragedy for many, and if foregoing vaccines will prevent it, then that's what we should do.
Why don't Americans realize that not only are there almost no cases of autism among the Amish, but that their life expectancy is 10 years longer than the American average?
A 2017 Amish study conducted by Tohoku University in Japan and Northwestern U. in the United States with a different objective found that 1) their life expectancy is 10 years longer and 2) they have less diabetes.
This kind of information is probably being banned by the pharmaceutical industry and Gates and others who are behind it.
You don't have to believe their religion, but Americans would be much healthier if they adopted good health habits of Amish.
His grandson was given 18 kid jabs at once, a normal kid one day a non verbal severe Autistic soon after. He doesn't open up much about it. Except for his hatred of kid jabs.
I am still baffled by the use of the singular label 'autistic' to describe such a broad range of people, ranging from the non verbal to the socially impaired to genius painters and mathematicians.
Clearly vaccine injury is a huge component. But there is obviously more to the story than just injury (poisoning).
We have 'The Telepathy Tapes' (a subject I'm still looking into) which clams many 'autistic' kids have telepathic powers. If there is anything to this then my working hypothesis (I guess) is not that vaccines cause telepathy, but that we ALL have latent telepathic/ ESP abilities, and that by impairing the speech centres in children, vaccines may be pushing some children to develop those usually underdeveloped abilities. Kind of similar to how some profoundly blind people develop super hearing and can 'echo locate' objects in their path, much like bats.
For the rest of us this potential is never realised due to the emphasis placed on talking to communicate (much like how emphasising computer games in childhood makes children incapable of playing the piano, but smashing up those computer games makes children more likely to go up the the attic and start playing the dusty old piano up there).
I've seen speculation from very mainstream scientists that neanderthals or Denisovans may also have had these kinds of traits and used them to communicate over large distances, much like how we communicate today with cell phones or email (again technologies which keep us more 'domesticated' as less likely to draw on latent abilities).
This dovetails into the fascinating topic of telepathy and autistic-like traits in sasquatch. I highly recommend this documentary (even if you think 'Sasquatch' is nonsense), as well as some of the interviews with its creator, Chrsistopher Noel. It's a fascinating insight into the 'autistic' mind generally - whatever that means.
All in all, I think the 'cover up' or 'psyop' might be operating in both directions. Yes autistic symptoms are caused by vaccine injury, and yes they are being normalised and even celebrated. But in the other direction I also believe modern post industrial culture and upbringing, with its emphasis on materialist reductionism, technological gadgets, the five senses (information overload) and what Graham Hancock calls 'the problem solving state of consciousness' also serves as a kind of firewall to other natural abilities that lie dormant in most of us, as we go to work and pay taxes.
When people suffer brain injury, strokes, or take psychedelic substances they often unlock huge areas of consciousness that they never knew existed before. I think vaccine damage can also do this to some extent. When people are tripping on LSD or mushrooms they lose much of their social skills and ability to integrate into 'normal' society. Instead they get immersed in detail, patterns. In that sense they become kind of 'autistic' during their trip. And they often become more volatile and sensitive to external stimuli, again much like 'autistic' people. And if they have to use public transport or buy a bottle of water they might rehearse the conversation in advance because it is so stressful to deal with 'ordinary' people while tripping, again much like some autistic people rehearse their social interactions.
Obviously, vaccinating people should be a crime. It is just poisoning people. I'm not defending vaccines. But I do think the whole topic opens up a huge pandora's box. The 'savant' phenomenon (as depicted in Rain Man) is real, if rare. It is clearly not an injury. It is a glimpse into abilities that we probably all have, potentially.
So why do we not have access to them? And is 'modern culture' specifically designed to keep those abilities dormant and unrealised (like an atrophied muscle)?
Is that how we are ruled? If we were less 'speech' orientated and more 'telepathy' orientated (tapping into the collective consciousness or 'morphic field' as it s sometimes called), might we become impossible to govern? Might we become impossible to 'divide and conquer'? Might we lose our interest in all the politics and drama that keeps us in this shitty state of consciousness which is only good for building technology, fighting wars and paying taxes?
Anyway, expect none of these questions to be asked in the mainstream. Social engineering aside, Rain Man was a fascinating insight into savant-ism, but now that 'autism' has been normalised among the masses, all we get now are standard issue, bland, feminist, 'strong women' dirge propaganda (see below). It is well produced enough to keep us glued to the screens, and vacantly sitting in a trance, oblivious to our hidden potential as amazing conscious beings....
Ellie Middleton & Ella Maisy Purvis on Autism, Breaking Stigmas & New Drama, Patience | Channel 4
I'm glad you liked it. I realise it's a 'big ask' to drop topics like sasquatch into a someone else's comment section out of the blue! I have to tape my mouth shut at family gatherings :)
TBH I hadn't thought about the subject for years, until reading your post. The Christopher Noel video (I linked it) is definitely worth a watch even if you don't care for the cryptids angle. It is still one of the best insights into the mind and motivation of an autistic/ autistic savant person that I've seen.
Tri-Torch - substack shows that I am a subscriber yet I never receive your emails. 😡
Laura, thanks for letting me know, that is very strange. I’ve sent an email to you as a test, please let me know if you get it
You may want to look in "trash" folder ... a few of my substack subscriptions (the emails) have suddenly started to end up there.
Wait, Dustin Hoffman also starred in Tootsie, about a man pretending to be a woman. Now this whole gender ideology thing makes sense. Jk.
How do you think we got Junior? Mrs Doubfire? Hocked the comment. This comedy is to this year's holiday season what Mrs. Doubtfire was to last year's, a mildly funny but utterly conventional and obvious farce.
I don't think they were Farces, conditioning.
Some years back, Dave Chapelle was right to be indignant: They (Hollyweird) always eventually cast black male actors in some cross-dressing role or another... from Eddie Murphy to Martin Lawrence... to Jamie Foxx and Wesley Snipes. Ving Rhames. Always the very masculine / macho types being weakened by these roles. It is all a psyop.
Humiliation ritual
Media , Hollywood , to lesser degree art or literature it is said are downstream from political or oligarchical movements & influence ; They carry the desired message and seek a desired effect that supports the powers that be . That is the opposite of the trope that politics is always downstream from culture . I do not believe the larger part of culture is an organic phenomenon at all anymore
A picture is worth a thousand thoughts, a film....many millions. One only need be in conversation with those who consume the propaganda, America's 'glory' is partially built on the back of the 1930s German death cult, film, art, chemicals....with the added twist of 'profits'.
https://www.holocaust.org.uk/film-and-the-holocaust
A haunting ironic twist of impetus
I believe your insight is spot on. Everything is contrived for a particular purpose.
Great information! I always thought the Autism epidemic was on purpose.
If not 'on purpose' it was a known consequence that they chose to ignore, in favour of profits.
We're currently at 1-in-36. Eventually that will get to 1 in 20, 1 in 10, 1 in 2, and we will have reached social cataclysm where a full 50% of society is disabled, yet - knowing that is looming on the horizon - we seem to be taking no steps toward preparing for it, which is mystifying.
Maybe I've been on the internet too long. Call me cynical, but humanity has taken a very dark turn from morality these last few decades. And I have to wonder if - rather than spending billions on care facilities for aged autistic adults (whose structural family support is lost when parents and siblings pass on) - recent promotion of "assisted suicide" is going to be the plan to deal with it.
Dark, I know. But the fact that we've even made it legal, eventually moves it along to "acceptable".
Heart breaking.
Thank you for putting this all together. I wish I could share it with my daughters but that is a big no no for me. Son in law of the younger has already ghosted me with his entire family for three years bc of vaccines. I can not even have lunch with my daughter
I am sorry Rosemary B, thank you for sharing.
The following clip is a fight from a film that is completely out of place and ridiculous and actually worsens the overall quality (the director took a risk with this)...unless you know why it is in there:
https://youtu.be/dN8Z7y_QcwE
It represents how difficult it is get someone, like your son in law, to wake up. Finally after almost seven minutes of grueling battle, the protagonist manages to put the glasses on his friend to get him to see the world as it truly is.
These are battles almost every single one in our circles has been fighting since 2020, some since 2008, and others still since 2001. My takeaway from all this is we must be subtle and work around the edges when trying to get others to see, because unlike in 'They Live' most of our families will abandon us as crazy within the first 30 seconds of the confrontation.
How I wish I could go back to the end of 2019 and do it all again with more prowess & finesse. But that's a large part of why we are here, correct? To gain such wisdom?
I pray for you and your daughters' bonds to heal followed by your swift reunion.
thank you for this and sharing the clip.
Praying helps. I know God listens.
I have the opposite, my youngest will soon be 45, his wife is a Narastic, know-it-all, Spend-aholic. 2 Yrs of nursing school, failed the last semester. 6-year-old is always sick, the new nearly 7 month old is a 2nd C section, she didn'tv gether tubes tied told him to get a Vascetomy, which is extra money, tubes tied during a C is covered. Neither can hold a job long. I got tired of being asked for money or borrow my van, bringing a full tank back on empty. I'd already removed him from out Trust fund. This lst time was the straw that broke the camels back, Both were told no more money or van. Get a better job and keep it.
Pay your bills. I raised 3 on my own with no Saftey nets, other than my parents took them for school closures. Worked my butt off for $3.50 an hr. You can't change people like them. 5 months no contact. Fine by me, less stress.
So sorry for the unnecessary stress you've suffered.
Sending my very best wishes to you. You are a winner - hoping your family eventually grow up and following your example. xxx
It is even worse baby Scarlett swallowed Anitomoc fluid, spent 10 days in Nic U. She is not Normal. A FFT baby, At 6 months was just a floppy doll. Not normal at that stage. The 2 have no conception their actions harm their girls especially the near 7 year old. I could not put up with the constant lies.
What a terrible strain for you. So glad you managed to protect yourself from such a heartbreaking and toxic environment. Sometimes we just have to walk away - I did, although for different reasons. It's painful but the lesser of two unacceptable situations. I hope the pain eases for you and your grandchildren manage to eventually find some joy and purpose in their lives. xxx
wow. You are my new best friend, Abigail
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so sorry.
🙏🏼, I'm so sorry.
exactly. This is what severed our loving relationship. They have three darling kiddos I have not seen in 3 years!!! I know your pain. You are not alone.
Very insightful observation TriTorch, between Congress granting immunity, the outcome they knew would be coming, and the attempt to tamp it all down and convince the Public it wasn’t that a wild west pipeline of barely tested products had just been opened up (which without doubt will severely injure some children), no - its just that your kid is "neurodiverse".
"Sure, he'll never be able to live independently or have a normal life. But the upside is he's a savant genius!".
If you know enough to craft a red herring movie ahead of time, you absolutely know why it was necessary to do so.
Great article.
and when did "neuro-diverse" come into our newspeak? maybe right around the time that LBGQT+ started adding more plusses (+++) ?
It's diabolical...but that's what we're dealing with. We need to face up to it. Excellent research
"Strike back with love & happiness".......Amen!
That mom clip made me cry.....
It's no small wonder why RFK, Jr. is having such a grilling from the Senate potentates who are all in bed with huge pharma/corporate medicine (grifters that most of them are to begin with). Praying for a God miracle and the RFK, Jr. DOES become the next head of Health and Human Services (which has been a huge DISSERVICE to humanity for decades).
Glad to see you Substacking once again, Jayson - WRITE ON, friend!!
SHALOM!!
I was thinking that Covid along with the jab and the mutilation of our children(gender affirming care) would be written in history books as the worst crimes against humanity of our time- but vaccine injuries (autism as well as other injuries) has to be added to these crimes as well. History will not look down at this time very favorably.
Interesting correlation - thanks for sharing.
I watched the movie (before getting sick of Cruise) and had no idea I was getting played or the awareness I would have about anything medical decades ahead.
Wait! What movies are playing these days???
Some recent-ish movies involve snake venom - if you're interested, checkout "the Antidote" Bryan Ardis, DC: https://thedrardisshow.com/the-antidote - remember when Trump got covid back then, he got monoclonal antibodies and got over it quickly? guess what they commonly use that therapy for - snakebite. (in addition to his intriguing theories, Ardis also mentions the pre-conditioning movies prevalent then).
Powerful & informative article - gratitude & blessings to you Tritorch. Grateful to have found about the toxins in vaccines in the early 90's. People thought I was 'cra-cra' - stopped vaxxing our young children, however, some damage had already been done - our youngest had lots of neurological issues, ear infections & learning disabilities. We began seeing a Naturopathic Physician who was a God send. Today, I continue & will never stop speaking Truth to medical tyranny. In GOD we Trust ...
I suspect many people do not "see" / recognize autism when they see it. I was married for years to a man that I finally discovered was autistic. That answered a few questions. For me, but I suspect others did not realize it. I doubt all the recent attention to the situation (it is not a disease) will change anyone's life. I do not know if autism can be corrected, I certainly doubt that Adderall will do so. I thought sugar was involved, but was roundly ignored by "professionals". Autism is a tragedy for many, and if foregoing vaccines will prevent it, then that's what we should do.
Why don't Americans realize that not only are there almost no cases of autism among the Amish, but that their life expectancy is 10 years longer than the American average?
https://www.afpbb.com/articles/-/3150748
A 2017 Amish study conducted by Tohoku University in Japan and Northwestern U. in the United States with a different objective found that 1) their life expectancy is 10 years longer and 2) they have less diabetes.
This kind of information is probably being banned by the pharmaceutical industry and Gates and others who are behind it.
You don't have to believe their religion, but Americans would be much healthier if they adopted good health habits of Amish.
I dropped your Sub on a Friend's Sub Justin’s Substack https://sinosoviran.substack.com/
His grandson was given 18 kid jabs at once, a normal kid one day a non verbal severe Autistic soon after. He doesn't open up much about it. Except for his hatred of kid jabs.
Grateful for these discussions
I am still baffled by the use of the singular label 'autistic' to describe such a broad range of people, ranging from the non verbal to the socially impaired to genius painters and mathematicians.
Clearly vaccine injury is a huge component. But there is obviously more to the story than just injury (poisoning).
We have 'The Telepathy Tapes' (a subject I'm still looking into) which clams many 'autistic' kids have telepathic powers. If there is anything to this then my working hypothesis (I guess) is not that vaccines cause telepathy, but that we ALL have latent telepathic/ ESP abilities, and that by impairing the speech centres in children, vaccines may be pushing some children to develop those usually underdeveloped abilities. Kind of similar to how some profoundly blind people develop super hearing and can 'echo locate' objects in their path, much like bats.
For the rest of us this potential is never realised due to the emphasis placed on talking to communicate (much like how emphasising computer games in childhood makes children incapable of playing the piano, but smashing up those computer games makes children more likely to go up the the attic and start playing the dusty old piano up there).
I've seen speculation from very mainstream scientists that neanderthals or Denisovans may also have had these kinds of traits and used them to communicate over large distances, much like how we communicate today with cell phones or email (again technologies which keep us more 'domesticated' as less likely to draw on latent abilities).
This dovetails into the fascinating topic of telepathy and autistic-like traits in sasquatch. I highly recommend this documentary (even if you think 'Sasquatch' is nonsense), as well as some of the interviews with its creator, Chrsistopher Noel. It's a fascinating insight into the 'autistic' mind generally - whatever that means.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm1LvR9z9-A
All in all, I think the 'cover up' or 'psyop' might be operating in both directions. Yes autistic symptoms are caused by vaccine injury, and yes they are being normalised and even celebrated. But in the other direction I also believe modern post industrial culture and upbringing, with its emphasis on materialist reductionism, technological gadgets, the five senses (information overload) and what Graham Hancock calls 'the problem solving state of consciousness' also serves as a kind of firewall to other natural abilities that lie dormant in most of us, as we go to work and pay taxes.
When people suffer brain injury, strokes, or take psychedelic substances they often unlock huge areas of consciousness that they never knew existed before. I think vaccine damage can also do this to some extent. When people are tripping on LSD or mushrooms they lose much of their social skills and ability to integrate into 'normal' society. Instead they get immersed in detail, patterns. In that sense they become kind of 'autistic' during their trip. And they often become more volatile and sensitive to external stimuli, again much like 'autistic' people. And if they have to use public transport or buy a bottle of water they might rehearse the conversation in advance because it is so stressful to deal with 'ordinary' people while tripping, again much like some autistic people rehearse their social interactions.
Obviously, vaccinating people should be a crime. It is just poisoning people. I'm not defending vaccines. But I do think the whole topic opens up a huge pandora's box. The 'savant' phenomenon (as depicted in Rain Man) is real, if rare. It is clearly not an injury. It is a glimpse into abilities that we probably all have, potentially.
So why do we not have access to them? And is 'modern culture' specifically designed to keep those abilities dormant and unrealised (like an atrophied muscle)?
Is that how we are ruled? If we were less 'speech' orientated and more 'telepathy' orientated (tapping into the collective consciousness or 'morphic field' as it s sometimes called), might we become impossible to govern? Might we become impossible to 'divide and conquer'? Might we lose our interest in all the politics and drama that keeps us in this shitty state of consciousness which is only good for building technology, fighting wars and paying taxes?
Anyway, expect none of these questions to be asked in the mainstream. Social engineering aside, Rain Man was a fascinating insight into savant-ism, but now that 'autism' has been normalised among the masses, all we get now are standard issue, bland, feminist, 'strong women' dirge propaganda (see below). It is well produced enough to keep us glued to the screens, and vacantly sitting in a trance, oblivious to our hidden potential as amazing conscious beings....
Ellie Middleton & Ella Maisy Purvis on Autism, Breaking Stigmas & New Drama, Patience | Channel 4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWM67fjp-YU
Fantastic fascinating comment, you’ve given me a lot to think about Corona, thank you
I'm glad you liked it. I realise it's a 'big ask' to drop topics like sasquatch into a someone else's comment section out of the blue! I have to tape my mouth shut at family gatherings :)
TBH I hadn't thought about the subject for years, until reading your post. The Christopher Noel video (I linked it) is definitely worth a watch even if you don't care for the cryptids angle. It is still one of the best insights into the mind and motivation of an autistic/ autistic savant person that I've seen.